Comments on: Notes on “What is the church?” a message by Mark Driscoll at Advance09 http://kevindowker.com/2009/06/notes-on-what-is-the-church-a-message-by-mark-driscoll-at-advance09/ the lights are on Thu, 26 Aug 2010 21:01:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Michael Newsome http://kevindowker.com/2009/06/notes-on-what-is-the-church-a-message-by-mark-driscoll-at-advance09/comment-page-1/#comment-7 Michael Newsome Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:18:34 +0000 http://kevindowker.com/?p=17#comment-7 Hey man. It was nice meeting you all last week. You are definitely more detailed when it comes to notes. haha They are great messages to remember. Thanks for sharing things you've learned! Have a great weekend! Hey man. It was nice meeting you all last week.

You are definitely more detailed when it comes to notes. haha They are great messages to remember. Thanks for sharing things you’ve learned!

Have a great weekend!

]]> By: Charlie McElvy http://kevindowker.com/2009/06/notes-on-what-is-the-church-a-message-by-mark-driscoll-at-advance09/comment-page-1/#comment-4 Charlie McElvy Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:58:44 +0000 http://kevindowker.com/?p=17#comment-4 PS - and we should return to missions!!! :) PS – and we should return to missions!!! :)

]]> By: Charlie McElvy http://kevindowker.com/2009/06/notes-on-what-is-the-church-a-message-by-mark-driscoll-at-advance09/comment-page-1/#comment-3 Charlie McElvy Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:57:18 +0000 http://kevindowker.com/?p=17#comment-3 KD, great post, bro! My thoughts: As noted in your entry, the key question one must as is "who is Jesus?". Unfortunately, churches tend to change that answer based on consumerist views or communalist views. What I mean to say is that on the one hand Jesus is the loving, hippy, dress-wearing, flowing Pantene hair liberal of the consumerists OR he's the fundamentalist, unloving, hard-teaching, sword-wielding, Bible-thumping super-Preacher of the communalists. Sure, there are grades between those, but I think those models define Jesus in culture, and hence, the church. IMHO the church has forgotten her first love (Rev. 2), has made Jesus into, somehow, less than Jesus, and engaged in what I call the "Corinthian Model" all over again. Corinth was, certainly, the first recorded liberal church in the NT, and we see examples of what was going on in Corinth all around us. Contextualization is helpful, and important, but of the church, NOT the Gospel. Corinth tried to contextualize both -- to her shame -- and we do, too. Think about the things we do in church, how we act away from church, and the examples we set before the lost & dying world of who or what Jesus is. It's time for the church to stop "doing" church, and begin to "be" the church again. It's time for the church to stop whoring itself out to people's wants & desires to raise attendance, and instead remain a faithful, pure virgin bride for our Lord by providing what the world *needs* -- the God-man Jesus the Christ! SDG! Charlie KD, great post, bro! My thoughts:
As noted in your entry, the key question one must as is “who is Jesus?”. Unfortunately, churches tend to change that answer based on consumerist views or communalist views. What I mean to say is that on the one hand Jesus is the loving, hippy, dress-wearing, flowing Pantene hair liberal of the consumerists OR he’s the fundamentalist, unloving, hard-teaching, sword-wielding, Bible-thumping super-Preacher of the communalists. Sure, there are grades between those, but I think those models define Jesus in culture, and hence, the church.
IMHO the church has forgotten her first love (Rev. 2), has made Jesus into, somehow, less than Jesus, and engaged in what I call the “Corinthian Model” all over again. Corinth was, certainly, the first recorded liberal church in the NT, and we see examples of what was going on in Corinth all around us. Contextualization is helpful, and important, but of the church, NOT the Gospel. Corinth tried to contextualize both — to her shame — and we do, too. Think about the things we do in church, how we act away from church, and the examples we set before the lost & dying world of who or what Jesus is.
It’s time for the church to stop “doing” church, and begin to “be” the church again.
It’s time for the church to stop whoring itself out to people’s wants & desires to raise attendance, and instead remain a faithful, pure virgin bride for our Lord by providing what the world *needs* — the God-man Jesus the Christ!

SDG!
Charlie

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